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42-442: (Redirected from Forgách ) Hungarian noble family House of Forgách [REDACTED] Parent house Hont-Pázmány Country Kingdom of Hungary Founded 1241 Founder András I Current head András (b. 1929 ) or János (b. 1948 ) Titles Count Forgách de Ghymes et Gács Estate(s) Gímes , Gács The House of Forgách

84-542: A Germanic-speaking people who are native to the ethnocultural and linguistic region of Swabia , which is now mostly divided between the modern states of Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria , in southwestern Germany . The name is ultimately derived from the medieval Duchy of Swabia , one of the German stem duchies , representing the territory of Alemannia , whose Germanic inhabitants were interchangeably called Alemanni or Suebi . This territory would include all of

126-624: A Swabian origin for the families, but more recent studies indicate at least a Slavic origin for the Poznan branch. The ethnic origin of the Hunt family remains debatable to this day. The Poznan estates were originally located near the Nitra River , while the Hunt estates were near the Ipeľ River. Later, the family acquired more properties and influence due to political and marital connections with

168-498: A sword by the Hron River. Their lineage evidently differed little from those [Germans]..." Today, historians know that Hunt and Poznan were certainly not brothers and, most likely, were not of German origin. The name Poznan is not derived from the German "Patzmann," as was once mistakenly interpreted, but instead has Slavic roots, meaning "known." The name Hunt appears in documents as Cuntius, and according to Professor Ján Lukačka,

210-404: Is cited as "40 percent intelligible" to speakers of Standard German . As an ethno-linguistic group, Swabians are closely related to other speakers of Alemannic German , i.e. Badeners , Alsatians , and German-speaking Swiss . Swabian German is traditionally spoken in the upper Neckar basin (upstream of Heilbronn ), along the upper Danube between Tuttlingen and Donauwörth , and on

252-685: The Alemannic German areal, but the modern concept of Swabia is more restricted, due to the collapse of the duchy of Swabia in the 13th century. Swabia as understood in modern ethnography roughly coincides with the Swabian Circle of the Holy Roman Empire as it stood during the Early Modern period . Swabian culture, as distinct from its Alemannic neighbours, evolved in the later medieval and early modern period. After

294-585: The Danube Swabians , subdivided into such groups as the Banat Swabians , Satu Mare Swabians and others (although the name "Danube Swabians" was applied also to German settlers of non-Swabian background). Swabians settled also in eastern Croatia ( Slavonia and Syrmia ), and southern and western Hungary , including part of what is now Serbia and Romania (the Danube Swabians , Satu Mare Swabians , Banat Swabians and Swabian Turkey ) in

336-777: The Dutch East India Company (DEIC), eventually settling in the Dutch Cape Colony , Dutch East Indies or Ceylon . Besides individual Swabians, the Duke Charles Eugene of Württemberg concluded an agreement with the DEIC in 1786 to furnish a regiment of 2000 men to the DEIC for the sum of 300 000 guilders. This became known as the Württemberg Cape Regiment ( German : Württembergisches Kapregiment ). Their presence among

378-720: The House of Árpád . History of the Family Hungarian chroniclers attributed the origins of the family to Swabia in Germany. Simon of Kéza considered Hunt and Poznan to be brothers who, during their journey to the Holy Land , remained in Géza's Principality of Hungary. The chronicler John of Turc mentions them as follows: "In those days, Hunt and Poznan also came, who, according to German custom, girded Saint Stephen with

420-629: The Swiss Confederacy to the south. Swabian culture retains many elements common to Alemannic tradition, notably the carnival traditions forming the Swabian-Alemannic Fastnacht . As the national cultural consensus surrounding German unification was built during the 18th and 19th century, Germany was politically dominated by the northern Kingdom of Prussia , and Weimar Classicism in the Duchy of Saxe-Weimar became

462-529: The 11th–12th centuries, while the Poznan descendants owned large estates in the valley of the Nitra River. The Poznan family likely died out in the male line, and around the second half of the 12th century, the two families united through marriage. Lampert II of the Hunt-Poznan family married a sister of Hungarian King Ladislaus I. This close family connection to the royal dynasty and the rich dowry from

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504-526: The 13th century, the clan divided into 12 branches: The first notable members of the clan were the brothers Hont and Pázmány who assisted Géza's son, the future King Stephen I of Hungary against his relative, the pagan Koppány who claimed for Géza's inheritance. The deed of foundation of the Pannonhalma Archabbey (issued in 1001) referred to both brothers as the king's military leaders (duces) . The brothers were granted possessions on

546-529: The 14th century (Stojslav, Vlk, Držislav, etc.). The character of their hereditary property also indicates pre-Hungarian origin Naturally, those who belonged to the royal court or obtained property in Hungarian ethnic territories self-identified with the majority population in the area. Swabians Swabians ( German : Schwaben pronounced [ˈʃvaːbn̩] , singular Schwabe ) are

588-464: The 18th century, where they were invited as pioneers to repopulate some areas. They also settled in Russia , Bessarabia , and Kazakhstan . They were well-respected as farmers. Almost all of the several million Swabians were expelled from Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia during the period 1944–1950, as part of the ethnic cleansing against their German minorities . There still are Swabians living near

630-753: The Ban of Dalmatia and Croatia. Between 1202 and 1212–1213, he was the Ban of Slavonia, and in 1224 and 1234, he was a judge of the realm. He founded the Premonstratensian Abbey of Ipolyság (now Šahy in Slovakia). Other family members, Andrew and Thomas, sons of Ivanka, gave their horse to King Béla IV during his retreat after the Battle of the Slaná River in 1241, enabling the king to escape the battlefield. Historian Ján Lukačka confirmed that among

672-715: The Dutch at the Cape contributed to the Dutch term swaapstreek (literally: "Swabian shenanigans"), likely referencing the Seven Swabians tale. During the 18th century East Colonisation , many Swabians were attracted by the Austrian Empire's offer of settling in East European lands which had been left sparsely populated by the wars with Turkey . These ethnic German communities came to be known collectively as

714-659: The Habsburgs: essays on Central Europe, c.1683-1867 . Oxford University Press . p. 205. ISBN   9780199281442 . Authority control databases [REDACTED] International VIAF National Germany Czech Republic Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Forgách&oldid=1168964963 " Category : Forgách family Hidden categories: Articles with short description Short description matches Wikidata Hont-P%C3%A1zm%C3%A1ny Some earlier research suggested

756-601: The Holy Roman Empire, where he, along with Szekler troops, supported Přemysl Ottokar I in battles against the German Emperor. In the first half of the 13th century, the united family split into three branches, from which several other noble families eventually emerged (including the Forgách, Baťány, and Pázmány families). Around 1201, Martin from the Hunt-Poznan family held the office of count and served as

798-547: The Hunts and the Poznans ("Pázmánys", "Posnans") when the latter's male line died out in the mid-12th century. They claim that the ancestors both of the two families were already nobles at the time of Great Moravia and preserved their possessions after the incorporation of their territories into the arising Hungarian state. The theory suggests that they kept their Christian faith during the 10th century and its followers claim that

840-752: The Kingdom of Hungary References [ edit ] ^ Strhan, Milan; David P., Daniel (1994). Slovakia and the Slovaks: a concise encyclopedia Encyclopaedia Beliana . Encyclopedical Institute of the Slovak Academy of Sciences. p. 550. ISBN   9788085584110 . ^ Fügedi, Erik; Bak, János M. (1986). Kings, bishops, nobles and burghers in medieval Hungary . London : Variorum Reprints. p. 278. ISBN   0-86078-177-1 . LCCN   86209927 . ^ John, Robert; Weston, Evans (2006). Austria, Hungary, and

882-750: The Pázmánys ruled in the region of today's north western Slovakia in the 10th century. Both families acknowledged the sovereignty of Michael of the House of Árpád and thus they became nobles at his court in Nitra . After Michael's death, the new ruler, Vajk (Stephen I) and the local nobility, spearheaded by the Pázmány and Hunt houses, developed very close personal ties and while fighting the Koppány rebellion in 997, Stephen took shelter with Pázmány and Hunt ("Poznano" and "Cuntio"); they in turn added their troops to

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924-604: The Second World War, known as the Wirtschaftswunder , was praised by songwriter Ralf Bendix in his 1964 Schaffe, schaffe Häusle baue / Und net nach de Mädle schaue ("[let's] work and work, and build a house / and not look out for girls" in Swabian dialect). The first line of his song has since become a common summary of Swabian stereotypes known throughout Germany. In a widely noted publicity campaign on

966-568: The Swabians as stingy, overly serious or prudish petty bourgeois simpletons, as reflected in " The Seven Swabians " ( Die sieben Schwaben ), one of the Kinder- und Hausmärchen published by the Brothers Grimm . On the positive side, the same stereotype may be expressed in portraying the Swabians as frugal, clever, entrepreneurial and hard-working. The economic recovery of Germany after

1008-645: The army of Grand Prince Stephen gathered, and Hunt and Poznan "girded him with a sword" and were appointed as Stephen's personal guards. Between 1001 and 1002, they also participated in Stephen's campaign against the Somogy Duke Koppány. In the 10th century, the Poznans became secular patrons of the Benedictine monastery under Zobor. The descendants of Hunt held extensive lands in the Hont region in

1050-425: The castles of Gímes (Jelenec) and Turóc (Zniev). His sons were John , archbishop of Kalocsa from 1278 to 1301, and Thomas III , an influential baron. Both were strong partisans of King Andrew III of Hungary . Another sons were Andrew II and Ivánka III , who were killed by Matthew III Csák . Some modern authors suggest that the clan Hont-Poznany was formed by intermarriages of two separate families,

1092-909: The city of Satu Mare in Romania , who are known as Satu Mare Swabians . Because of overpopulation and increasingly smaller land-holdings, many Swabians sought land in the Western Hemisphere, especially in the 19th century. Swabian settlements can be found in Brazil , Canada , and the United States . Among the Germans who emigrated to the United States in the 19th century, Swabians in some areas maintained their regional identity and formed organizations for mutual support. Significant numbers of Swabians moved to Berlin following

1134-530: The disintegration of the Duchy of Swabia , a Swabian cultural identity and sense of cultural unity survived, expressed in the formation of the Swabian League of Cities in the 14th century, the Swabian League of 1488, and the establishment of the Swabian Circle in 1512. During this time, a division of culture and identity developed between Swabia and both the Margraviate of Baden to the west and

1176-624: The expression of German national high culture ( Christoph Martin Wieland and Friedrich Schiller , while born and raised in Swabia, moved to Weimar and became two of the "four luminaries" ( Viergestirn ) of Weimar Classicism). As a consequence, southern Germany and by extension both the Swabians and the Bavarians came to be seen as marked deviations from generic Standard German , and a number of clichés or stereotypes developed. These portrayed

1218-609: The foundation deed of the Benedictine monastery of Bzovík proves that hereditary estates from the time before the arrival of the Magyars prevailed in the Hunts' property. The Pázmánys oversaw the Benedictine monastery below Zobor hill near Nitra and became its secular patrons. According to the theory, the seat of the Hunt family was the Hont castle and they ruled in the Central Ipeľ region in today's southern Slovakia, while

1260-476: The frequent issues in interpretation may have arisen from an incomplete loop on the letter "G," suggesting that the original form might have been "Guntius." The Slavic origin of this name could be inferred from the letter "G," which was replaced with "H" only around the 12th century. The meaning of Hunt/Hont has nothing to do with the German word "hund" (dog), as some chroniclers mistakenly noted. Hunt and Poznan were old families whose roots most likely trace back to

1302-456: The large number of well-to-do Swabians moving to the capital), or a remark by chancellor Angela Merkel in praise of the "thrifty Swabian housewife" (recommending Swabian, and by extension German economic prudence as a model for Europe during the financial crisis ). The ethno-linguistic group of Swabians speak Swabian German , a branch of the Alemannic group of German dialects . Swabian

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1344-644: The left bank of the Lech , in an areal centered on the Swabian Alps roughly stretching from Stuttgart to Augsburg . SIL Ethnologue cites an estimate of 819,000 Swabian speakers as of 2006. During the 17th and 18th century, the Dutch Republic was known for its wealth and religious tolerance, and substantial numbers of Swabians moved there in search of either work or religious freedom. Those with large debts ended up conscripted as sailors and soldiers for

1386-460: The mid-12th century; allied by marriage to the Hunts, the line became "Hont-Pázmány". The oldest genealogic data about the Poznans are preserved in the Zobor charters (1111-1113). The charters contain names at least of fourth nobles from the Poznan family - Una, Bacha (Bača) and two sons of Bukven - Deda (Dedo) and Caca (Kačä). The high number of Slavic names in the Hunt-Poznan family is obvious until

1428-492: The names of the Hunt-Poznan family from the 11th–13th centuries, there is no indication of German names. Instead, a strong Slavic influence is apparent in both branches of the family up until the early 14th century. The successors of the Hunt-Poznan family included the Counts of Svätý Jur and Pezinok and the noble Forgách family. The family also produced nobility from Šíšov, Sek, Hradná, Nýrovce, Bučany, and Nitrianska Blatnica. By

1470-485: The north-western parts of the kingdom (primarily in present-day Slovakia ). Hont County was named after one of them. Lampert (?–1132) founded the Abbey of Bozók. His first wife was the sister of King Ladislaus I of Hungary . He held about 30 possessions and thus he was one of the wealthiest landowners of the kingdom. In 1124, he took part in the campaign of King Stephen II of Hungary against Dalmatia . Lampert

1512-470: The occasion of the 50th anniversary of Baden-Württemberg , economically the most successful state in modern Germany, the Swabians famously embraced their stereotyping, "We can do everything—except speak Standard German " ( Wir können alles. Außer Hochdeutsch ). Swabian stereotypes persist in contemporary Germany, as expressed e.g. in the " Schwabenhass " conflict (surrounding gentrification in Berlin due to

1554-466: The office of judge royal (országbíró) . He founded the Abbey of Ipolyság (today Šahy in Slovakia). Achilles ( b. 1210–1252) was bishop of Pécs between 1251 and 1252. Lampert (of the branch of Csalomja) was bishop of Eger from 1247 to 1275. Ivánka II from the Szeg branch was Judge royal sometime before 1289. Andrew I was a confidant of Béla IV of Hungary . He erected

1596-587: The retinue of Stephen's Bavarian wife Giselle. The united forces then defeated Koppány, making Stephen the sole ruler of the emerging Hungarian state. In the 11th and 12th century the Hunts owned estates mainly in the county of Hont and along the Ipeľ river. By the 11th and 12th centuries the Pázmáns' estates were mainly in the valley of the Nitra river. According to the alternate theory, the Pázmáns' male line died out in

1638-665: The royal bride undoubtedly accelerated his career. Lampert was also the founder of the monastery at Bzovík and, in 1124, participated in King Stephen II's campaign to Dalmatia. Both Lampert II and his son Nicholas died in battle during a civil war. Among the members of the Hunt-Poznan family was Count Thomas, who served as the Count of Nitra in the first quarter of the 13th century. Thomas distinguished himself in military service to King Emeric, leading troops in Bulgaria and also in

1680-618: The times of Great Moravia . This is evidenced by the extent of their estates, which they already possessed by the end of the 10th century, and the fact that they were not part of the nomadic Hungarian aristocracy. The Hunts owned lands in the regions of Hont , Malohont , and Novohrad , while the Poznans’ lands were mainly around Nitra and in Ponitrie . The earliest family members, magnates Hunt and Poznan, are mentioned in 997 when, in Bína ,

1722-801: Was a Hungarian noble family in Hungary which became very influential during the Ottoman wars in Europe in Royal Hungary . The family held the title of Count in Hungary , granted to them on 11 May 1675. Notable members [ edit ] Ferenc Forgách, Bishop of Várad (1530–1577) Ferenc Forgách, Archbishop of Esztergom (1560–1615) Zsigmond Forgách (1559–1621) Ádám Forgách (1601–1681) János Forgách (1870–1935) See also [ edit ] List of titled noble families in

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1764-450: Was murdered by the followers of King Béla II the Blind , because he was suspected of supporting Boris Kalamanos 's claim to the throne. Around 1201, Martin (?–1236/1245) held the office of count (comes) at the court of the future King Andrew II of Hungary , and served as the Ban of Croatia and Dalmatia . In 1202 and between 1212-1213, Martin was the Ban of Slavonia and he was styled Ban also in 1224 and 1234. In 1214, he held

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